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movement had with trump supporters back in august we're different because people back then could say, well, i know he's outrajus, but maybe deep down he'll be presidential and he'll change. tonight on "all in". >> my vice presidential nominee carly fiorina. >> the amazing thing is that basketball ring here in indiana. >> he called the rim a ring so he doesn't know too much about the basketball world. >> then the sanders campaign
lays off hundreds of staff. >> look, we are clearly the underdogs. i'm very good at arrow rhythm ma tick. >> but vows to stay in the race and trump gets specificish about foreign policy. >> isis will be gone if i'm elected president and will be gone quickly. >> and starts his general election pivot on exactly the wrong foot. >> if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she'd get 5% of the vote. the only thing she's got going is the woman's card. >> when "all in" starts right now. >> i'm chris hayes and after donald trump's clean sweep in all five north eastern primaries tonight the state of indiana may be all that stands between him and the republican nomination. no contested convention, just end of story. tonight was campaigning in indianapolis. he picked up an endorsement from bobbi knight.
>> an excellent free throw shooter will have the honor. >> look here, look here. bobbi knight just threw his chair across the free throw line. >> the university fired knight in 2000. this is after video showed him choking a pattern citing unacceptable player which included verbally abusing a female official. if he was going to endorse a politician, it was going to be donald trump. >> i am not here to represent the republican party and i'm not here to represent any organization that deals with politics. i think -- i think the most important thing in the world is that we vote for the best man there is for this job under his
administration there will never be another thing like what happened in benghazi. >> trump was always expected to win the five states that voted yesterday in places that recentabled new york city. last night was a huge victory for trump who outperformed in the polls winning over 50% of the vote in all five states for the first time he may be starting to actually consolidate wide spread republican support. after last night trump has 991 delegates which means indiana is all but a last stand for ted cruz and the faltering never trump movement. indiana has 57 delegates at stake. trump is spending big money to
end cruz's hope in the state while cruz is pulling out every last conceivable stop to win over the hearts and minds of indiana voters. he campaigned last night at a gym that was the main location of the hoosiers. >> how far? >> ten feet. >> ten feet. >> i think you'll find exact same measurements as our gym back in hik ory. >> cruz attempted to recreate that moment from the movie. >> we're here on the hickory basketball court and bruce who travels with me, bruce do you have a tape measurer with you?
how tall is that basketball rim? >> ten feet. >> ten feet. you know the amazing thing is that basketball ring here in indiana it's the same height as it is in new york state and every other place in this country and there is nothing that the hoosiers cannot do. >> you heard that right, he heard a basketball ring as in would you like to go shoot basketball rings in indiana. a girl in the audience posted and let's watch her face one more time. cruz acknowledged the flub today emphasizing he really does know the game of basketball. >> sometimes when you're speaking and you guys have cameras in your face you say things, you stumble over words. i know nobody on the media has ever stumbled over a word. i'll tell you in high school when i played basketball in high
school when we did something wrong the coach would have us run laps and laps and laps until we fell over. i think my campaign team after i messed up the reference, i think they wanted me to have run laps. >> this afternoon in an attempt to divert attention, ted cruz announced his pick for vice president. >> an extraordinary leader, my friend and the next vice president of the united states, carly fiorina. >> it was a bit awkward. note the guy who places a sign on the podium while no one is looking and cruz leaves the stage about as soon as fiorina comes on only to return after her remarks are over for what turns out to be a fairly poorly coordinated arm raising photo op. there they are.
let's do it. the last time anyone picked a running mate without having won the nomination was ronald reagan and the last year we had a contested convention. at this point it is looking unlikely that cruz's pass will be any more successful than the last one. his strategy was not lost on donald trump who weighed moments ago. >> a new relationship has started, cruz and carly. he is the first presidential candidate in the history of this country who's mathematically eliminated from becoming a president who chose a vice presidential candidate. they're not going do it for you. >> joining me is stuart stevens who is opposed to donald trump's candidacy for president. i followed you on twitter throughout this campaign and i've talked before and your
posture towards trump is this is someone who is not up to being president of the united states, not up to being the nominee, he's insecure, he's undisciplined and the process is a riggous process and he will not make it through. what is your feeling now? >> i hope i'm right. i think -- you'd rather be trump where you are in this race than anybody else. he certainly has an advantage here. it's been a strange year. i don't think donald trump's kwalfied to be president of the united states and i hope he's not the republican nominee. i hope indiana doesn't vote for donald trump. i hope they vote for ted cruz as an alternative. strange things happen in politics or donald trump wouldn't be where he is so i think we have to -- those of us that don't support donald trump have to hope that strange things continue to happen and someone gets close and people pause and we go in directional.
>> it's been interesting to watch. i was watching mike murphy and people who have been in the world of essentially the republican consultant class have worked on republican campaigns have a relationship to politics and republican voters and have to message candidates and figure out what works and what doesn't. it does seem like collectively as a class sort of missed this. >> this is to say this has happened before in statewide races. republicans have proven they'll vote for someone who looks to be unelectable. it happened in indiana with richard murdoch. it happened in missouri with todd aiken and in nevada. so it hasn't happened on a national level, but what is national primary but a series of
state races so maybe it's odd that it hasn't happened before. that's one way to look at it. the other way to look at it is what i call the guns of august theory referring to that great book about the start of world war 1 which is what is happening here is a weird combination of different factors that involve miscalculation, cowardness, underestimating someone. it's probably a collimation of those two. >> each individual actor making each individual decision has some rash al basis to pursue that moment that leads to massive barbism. there is part of this that i think has really struck me. in basically every state we have exit polling of, you have over 60% support for the muslim ban. so 68% in pennsylvania, 65% in ohio, down the line. what does that say to you about what he is reaching inside the belief system of your median
republican voter. >> listen, i think donald trump speaks to something that's dark inside a lot of people. i think that he is a grievance monger. he's going to settle that score. i don't think it's the best of politics or the best within all of us and probably all of us have that inside us somewhere. i think the best of our politics is somebody who makes us feel better about ourselves, better about our country, bigger and i think donald trump has an inverse effect. >> always a pleasure. aside from being a man who works in politics, is a phenomenal writer.
>> thank you. i'm joined by rick tyler, a spokesman of the cruz campaign. look, it's very easy to second guess what ted cruz did today because they're running out of runway. >> right. >> desperate times call for desperate measures. >> i've heard it call desperate, but when you're that far behind doing nothing is dumb and doing something is smart and they did something and it's smart and apparently it worked. they replaced the story. the whole idea is not to divert attention, but it's to replace the story. they don't like the story that happened yesterday and i think it was fine and fiorina is very competent and she talked about business -- so not only that she has one thing that donald trump, john kasich and ted cruz have never done. none of them won a california
primary and she has. >> whether that's true or not, she has high unfavorables even among republicans, certainly in the general she has pretty high unfavorables, but she's a placeholder. they need to win indiana, right. >> they do. and she can speak to evangelicals. >> but rick, she was saying that before. if that was selling, people would have bought it -- this is the episode of a reality show when they bring the people from the first few episodes who were voted off the island or kicked out of the kitchen back to participate in the challenge. >> i don't know because lots of candidates don't win their first
time around. many win on their third time around. newt gingrich won on his third time around. so she didn't succeed or do as well as she had hoped to do, but she's a terrific communicator. i think she would make a good vice president. >> one thing i should know since there was a vice president of the united states who never held elected office before, what was your message from last night. when you look at those numbers, 62%, 64%, it's been a long time where is this consolidation happening and it's been not happening. is this a regional effect or is this happening. >> i think it's regional. new england and the northeast is different.
except for pennsylvania which is different because you have a lot of blue dog democrats. they can be appealed to by republican and the republican party has done good there, but among the other four states there's zero republican senators that have been elected by those states. there's one representative in the house. and new england has this idea if the republicans would put up moderate candidates they would win and they do that and they lose. donald trump, if he had -- if he were to identify an underlying governoring theory for him, he would be a north eastern liberal progressive. that's what he fits in. >> you don't like that. there is literally not a single progressive i know anywhere -- >> his foreign speech today was exactly what hillary clinton's speech -- >> all he talked about was more spending for the military. whatever you say about donald trump's ideology which i find hard to pin down, but banning muslims and mass deportation, there's not a single person that calls themselves a progressive
who believes in those ideas. >> i don't believe in it either. >> who knows what he believes. >> i think those people who want a ban on muslims and they don't trust the united states to keep us safe. that's what they're saying. >> that's a charitable read and i wish for you and the rest of the countries that's the best one. still to come donald trump's highly anticipated foreign policy speech and i will give you a spoiler he hasn't quite mastered the teleprompter or the substance. bernie sanders falls further behind and the candidate says there's hundreds of layoffs. what that change signals. back in 120 seconds. don't go anywhere. the e-class has 11 intelligent
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he is planning to layoff hundreds of campaign staffers across the country and focus his remaining effort on winning california. he says we want to win as many delegates as we can so we do not need workers around the country. a spokeman says the layoffs are in light of the dwindling number of remaining primary contests. sanders added he hopes to be able to add them back in the future. another decisive night for sanders has made his ability to win the delegates increasingly unlikely. clinton now has to win about one-third of the remaining delegates while sanders needs to win about two-thirds which is perhaps why clinton sounds like she's looking towards the general election. >> i applaud senator sanders and his supporters for challenging us to get unaccountable money out of politics and giving greater emphasis to closing the
gap of inequality and i know together we will get that done because whether you support senator sanders or you support me, there's much more that you unites us than divides us. >> sanders is determined to stay in the race until the end and he continues to argue he would be the better general election candidate, but with the odds stacked against him sanders is considering the future of the democratic party. >> i will do everything i can. i think hillary clinton and i agree on this, that we will do everything we can to make sure that a republican does not win the white house. i will knock my brains out and i will work seven days a week to make sure that that does not happen if i am the nominee and if i am not the nominee. that's what i will do. >> john, i understand you're reporting on this today.
what is the thinking now? what is going on inside the sanders campaign? >> well, there seems to be a lot of things going on, but let's be clear about a couple of things. tonight sanders is in bloomington, indiana, tomorrow in eugene, oregon, so obviously continuing to campaign. you have this interview where the senator has said that he's going to reduce his campaign staff at the same time when i've been talking to folks in california especially, not so much to sanders folks, but to unions that are aligned with him, to some of his key backers, they seem to be very geared up and ready for a california fight. so i guess the bottom line what you get is reality is the sanders campaign is going on, it's going forward, but you clearly have this combination now of a series of tough losses on tuesday night, a wednesday interview that says yes, they are downsizing the campaign.
i think what this adds up to is that you're seeing a campaign that's now focusing on winning delegates and focusing on framing a message for a convention, but perhaps less and less on that focusing on actually winning the nomination. >> it's going to be a very interesting period now because they put out a statement last night where they talked about sort of getting delegates to go into the convention with the strength to advocate in things like $15 an hour. now you have this guy that has 45%. of the people coming to vote, this is what he told me on monday night and how he will be acting with them and the calls for unity. >> we're not a movement where i can snap my fingers and say to you or to anybody else what you should do because you won't listen to me. you shouldn't. you make these decisions yourself.
i think if we end up losing, and i hope we do not and if secretary clinton wins, it is incumbent on her to tell people who do not believe in establishment politics or establishment economics who has serious misgivings about a candidate who has received millions of dollars from wall street and other special interests. >> that was the tone. i pressed him on that and he said i'm going do everything i can to make sure the republicans don't win the white house, but how do you see this proceeding now? >> this is a significant part of the campaign and i've covered presidential races going back for a very long time and when you have a strong insurgency, one that is still within a zone where you suggested if they had an incredible streak going forward they would be competitive for the nomination, when you have a strong unsurgeriensy in a position like that, you don't just end it. you look for ways in which to
develop a relationship with the front-runner and that relationship is not necessarily -- it doesn't necessarily begin easily. i talked yesterday to reverend jessie jackson about what he did in 1988 as he headed toward the democratic national convention that year with a large number of delegates with a passionate movement supporting him and what he described was at times difficult meetings and at times real back and forth about platform debates about rules changes and vice presidential choices, but at the end of the day i think that the signals that you've gotten both from hillary clinton and bernie sanders is they both seem to recognize that taking on a donald trump now the likely republican nominee is going to require them both to have some communication and ultimately some connection. so i think that's likely to happen, but too many people in
political and media they keep looking for a quick easy solution and sometimes this takes time. >> there's not going a quick easy one. thanks for joining us tonight. still to come sometimes the best way to interpret a donald trump speech is to watch the reactions of those behind him. last night did not disappoint. don't go anywhere. active series insoles. they help reduce wear and tear on my legs, becuase they have triple zone protection. ... and reduce shock by 40%. so i feel like i'm ready to take on anything.
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the only thing she has going is the woman's card and women don't like her. >> a closer examination of the side eyes seen round the world shows
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clinton's case is overwhelming that he has abused and violated the public trust. in this nation all men are created equal. simply put the president is not a sovereign who is above the law. >> that was congressman dennis haster shortly before he voted to impeesh president clinton. and in the bake of a gingrich successor congressman bob livingston resigning from congress because of questions surrounding his marital infill delawarety. he went on to become the longest serving speaker of the house and today he went before a federal judge that called him a serious child molester. he pleaded guilty to illegal bank transactions connected to an individual who he molested when he was a wrestling coach in
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every wednesday at lunch. we all have our flaws, but he has very few. today the judge sentenced him to 15 months in prison two and a half times what the prosecution recommended noting that the statute of limitations had not run out on the sexual abuse charges themselves. in court today hastert apologized and said i know i'm here because i mistreated some of the athletes i coached. the speaker of the house urged life sentences for repeat child molesters. joining me now is stephanie goss. what was that scene like in there. >> reporter: it was incredible. it's so hard to reconcile. dennis hastert beloved speaker of the house and the man that wheeled in today and a man accused of being a child molester.
after that statement that hastert gave where he apologized for mistreating some of his athletes, the judge asked him did you sexually abuse and he goes through the names and hastert admitted in that moment to sexually abusing two of them, one of them was a man who died in 1995. his sister gave a statement in court today and she had said to hastert in court that she was his worst nightmare having confronted him in 1995 over the allegations just after her brother had died and hastert was stone faced she said and didn't say anything to him at the time. there was also individual d as you mentioned who now a 53-year-old businessman, father of two, who identifies himself in court incredibly emotional at times not even being able to continue discussing the abuse at the hands of hastert. chris.
>> thank you for that. really appreciate that. joining me now is washington bureau chief. i cannot get my head around this fact. this is someone who was third in line to be president of the united states. he's the longest serving republican speaker of the house. he's someone who voted for impeeshment during that period. he's a beloved figure in illinois politics. you've covered the guy. what do you make of this? >> well, everyone was stunned. everyone is stunned and then you have the small world of illinois politics where scott cross who is a hero for being -- >> tremendous courage to stand in open federal courthouse at 53 and say what happened. just tremendous courage. >> absolutely. so i applaud him and he gave an el owe consequent statement to let others know who might be in his situation that it's not about them and if anyone's in the situation i'll help you get the transcript because it's important to hear how he said i'm hear partly to help people that might be in my situation.
that aside, just think, hastert was a local hero. when scott cross met him when he was a teen, the high school wrestling team had just won the state championships and even though now we might think of it as a suburb of chicago back then it was like a village and winning the championship was a big deal and that popularity helped give denny his start in local politics that helped him become speaker. that means somewhere in there denny calculated that no one would ever come forward to speak against him or accuse him of anything and he was able to pull off a long political career without getting caught until these structured payments that got him in trouble started a few years ago.
>> i also have to say, i mean i've reported on particularly in the context of the church i've reported on people who have serially prey on children. it's behavior that doesn't stop on a dime. this is someone who did this in high school and had a long political and there's no allegations afterwards, but good lord al mighty do i wonder whether that just stopped when he left the high school. >> well, we don't know. no one had ever mentioned any kind of behavior. i cover all kinds of very sleazy allegations, but it also shows that the -- that this is also a story if we can learn from this is how hard it is for victims to feel that they can go into a safe place and be believed.
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>> donald trump concluded last night that the only reason why hillary clinton is winning primary contests is because of her gender, a sentiment trump has expressed before and the democratic front-runner made note of it. >> the other day mr. trump accused me of playing the quote woman card. well, if fighting for women's health care and paid family leave and equal pay is playing the woman card, then deal me in. >> this morning rather than offering his plan on the same issues, trump went a different route and noted that clinton in her message would be better received if she wasn't quite so yelly. >> well i haven't quite recovered. it's early in the morning from her shouting that message. and i know a lot of people would say you can't say that about a woman because of course a woman
doesn't shout, but the way she shouted that message was not good. that's the way she said it and it's -- i guess i'll have to get used to a lot of that over the next four or five months. >> joining me now is the former deputy campaign manager from mitt romney's presidential campaign and spokesperson for the pack that supports pro-choice women candidates. let me start with you. that was a classic trump press conference because there were periods where you thought this is something that could approach a reasonable attractive general election message on trade and wages and then that comment on hillary clinton which whatever you think about hillary clinton's policy whether you agree or disagree of her or think of her record, it's a ridiculous sexist thing to say hence the side eye from the first lady of new jersey. >> i think mary pat christie's reaction says it all. if you can't get her it's going to be tough to get suburban women voters. donald trump wouldn't be where he is if he wasn't a trust fund baby so to accuse hillary clinton of that is ds enagainous.
every time he talks about women he's repelling them. hillary clinton isn't well liked by women and by nominating donald trump wear managing as a party to get behind a candidate who has a far worse approval rating with women. he was at 68% unfavorable with women and 65% very unfavorable with general election women voters. >> he's at 69% unfavorable view and 20% say they have a favorable view. the clinton campaign put out a tweet responding to what he said. in some ways for someone who is running to the first woman president of the united states for someone who has had a hard time figuring out what her relationship to be to that in
terms of how much it's centered in the campaign, this presents an idea foil because she doesn't have to bring it up to the extent he keeps bringing up and then she counter punches. >> i think hillary clinton has been able to come in to say i am running because i care about these issues because i care about you, but also it's okay to celebrate the fact that we have women running. i think that we're seeing hillary able to say i'm a woman and so i understand what women in this country are going through and this is what i want to do to help all of us lift everyone up, but she doesn't have to run as the first woman president. she has qualifications she's running on. that said, there couldn't possibly be a clearer contrast and it's not just because hillary clinton's a woman, it's because she's a woman who has spent her entire career lifting
up and centering women, whether it was secretary of state or new york senator or first lady, that's been a focus for her. so to be running against the guy that -- i mean, he cannot help himself. every time he talks about women, he does something awful whether it's carly fiorina or megyn kelly or hillary clinton, he has to know, he's not a dumb man, he must know when he pulls this kind of stuff his numbers go down and down and down. you think he would learn a lesson. >> the other thing about this is i was looking at the data from i think it was gallop about how closely people are paying attention to this. there's a whole trove of stuff. this is a guy who literally talked about what kind of breasts his infant daughter would have when she grew up.
there's an unbelievable treasure trove that has not been out there. >> beyond just the unusual sexual comments that he's made about both of his daughters, and the hideous comments he's made about other women, what we have found in our research is that women sort of reject somebody that talks about minorities the way he talks about minorities and the way he bullies people in general and this goes back to my back issue that hillary clinton is incredibly vulnerable if we nominate the right kind of candidate, but donald trump is not the right kind of candidate. >> do you think cruz could either. >> ted cruz has challenges too, but at least ted cruz doesn't openly disdain women. he doesn't have -- >> that agenda is insourment able. >> we're not even talking about
no exceptions on abortion or things like that because the tonal barrier is so large that people aren't going to get over that, but who knows we've been so wrong about so many things. thank you both. >> thank you. >> the rachel maddow show starts right now. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. the organ in the human body that maintains the balance of your blood sugar is called the pancreas. it's roughly here. here? here? it's kind of alongside the stomach. the pancreas not to be confused to the placenta regulates your blood sugar. now in american politics i am pretty sure there is only one person who has ever been called in all serious the patron saint of the pancreas and it is this man who in today's news you can